Posted by Jonah (64.114.149.212) on October 06, 2003 at 20:00:01:

In Reply to: Formal proof of Bahai.org and Bahai-Library.org - same posted by Stuart Gilman on October 06, 2003 at 06:23:38:

One would not expect most people to have a good understanding of the system of registrars and registrars' Whois databases, but it's a good idea to know what you're talking about before making such claims. It is a minor coincidence that we both are listed with TuCows as registrar, but as you can see below we actually used different registrars, Juxta and Consumer.net. TuCows OpenSRS is a consortium of registrars (a domain "reseller") as well as a registrar itself, hence the line in my record "Discount consumer gateway to Tucows OpenSRS - Domain renewals." I offer the following from betterwhois.com:

bahai.org Registrant: Baha'i International Community 866 United Nations Plaza Suite 120 New York, NY 10017-1822 US Domain name: BAHAI.ORG Administrative Contact: Terrill, Thane tterrill@bic.org 866 United Nations Plaza Suite 120 New York, NY 10017-1822 US 212-803-2551 Technical Contact: Danesh, Arman armand@juxta.com c/o Michele Danesh Schurtannenstr. 11 Rorschach, SG CH-9400 CH +41.718557280 Fax: +41.718557282 Registration Service Provider: Juxta Publishing Limited, requests@juxta.com +852.3015.8000 +852.3015.8000 (fax) http://bahaidns.juxta.com/ This company may be contacted for domain login/passwords, DNS/Nameserver changes, and general domain support questions. Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC. Record last updated on 03-Sep-2003. Record expires on 17-Feb-2005. Record Created on 16-Feb-1996. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.BWNS.ORG 216.236.139.18 NEWDNS.JUXTA.COM

bahai-library.org Registrant: ATP, Inc 1250 Ephesus Church Rd Chapel Hill, NC 27514 US Domain name: BAHAI-LIBRARY.ORG Administrative Contact: Winters, Jonah winters 1250 Ephesus Church Rd Chapel Hill, NC 27514 US 877-945-6388 x1 Technical Contact: CommuniTech.Net, Inc, CommuniTech.Net, Inc internic@COMMUNITECH.NET 1627 Main Street Suite 1100 Kansas City, MO 64108 US (816) 300-4678 Fax: (816) 300-5321 Registration Service Provider: Consumer.net - TheNIC.com, domains@consumer.net http://TheNIC.com Discount consumer gateway to Tucows OpenSRS - Domain renewals, Tucows e-mail, SSL Certificates. Registrar of Record: TUCOWS, INC. Record last updated on 18-Feb-2003. Record expires on 29-Nov-2004. Record Created on 30-Nov-1998. Domain servers in listed order: NS1.LEFT-COAST.NET

The information pertaining to my address, email, phone, and technical contact is all outdated. In general, you can put very little stock in Whois databases, they are full of incorrect and old information. All you can do is make sure you're using the most complete Whois database, which is usually betterwhois.com.

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